
Is it possible that the property-casualty insurance market isn't softening as dramatically as some surveys indicate? That's the question raised because of conflicting reports of pricing activity, with agent-generated surveys showing far deeper drops than one relying on carrier-provided data, which only indicates a single-digit decline. Who is right?
(For full coverage of the conflicting surveys, click here.)
NU's Feb. 4 story, by Mark Ruquet and Dan Hays, reported that Towers Perrin--citing first-hand data from carriers--said average prices for all lines of coverage combined fell only 4-to-5 percent between 2006 and 2007.
That's quite modest in comparison with the monthly "Market Barometer" survey by MarketScout (an online insurance marketplace) which found rates overall down 13.15 percent, as well as the quarterly survey by the Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers, which reported an average price decline in the fourth quarter of 12 percent (only slightly better than the 13.3 percent drop in the third quarter).
So, who do we believe?
Towers Perrin touts its CLIPS report as a better barometer than most surveys, because the data comes out of commercial lines insurer price-monitoring systems.
A representative of the company also suggested that agent-supplied pricing data may not reflect smaller lines of business written by direct-writing companies that don’t use independent agents, which, according to Towers Perrin, is less sensitive than larger accounts to price swings.
The official added that agent data might focus more on business that moves from shop to shop at renewal time, which sees more price volatility.
Towers Perrin isn't the first party to suggest that agent/broker surveys might overstate the depth of price-cutting. Back in our Nov. 16, 2006 edition, W.R. Berkley Corp. Chairman William Berkley declared that pronouncements by analysts about soft casualty insurance prices were based on inaccurate broker surveys and are overblown.
"The pricing pressure is not as severe as what's being reported," he said, during the opening panel of the 18th Annual Executive Conference for the Property-Casualty Industry.
"I think we've got a lot of people crying wolf right now," he added, as reported by our own Susanne Sclafane. (Click here for the complete story.)
Speculating on how the figures in producer surveys are obtained, he said that if you call a broker on a day when he just lost a piece of business to a company charging 20 percent lower rates, and ask that broker how rates are holding up, he'll say the market is "terrible," according to Mr. Berkley.
"If they bothered to ask companies, they'd find, in general, they're not so terrible," he said.
Well, that's exactly what Towers Perrin appears to be doing. The firm also defends the accuracy of its survey results by noting that given the minimal declines in premiums written by the industry overall, prices cannot possibly be falling in the double-digit range, as producer surveys indicate.
“Given the insurance industry’s aggregate reported premiums for the first nine months of 2007, it seems unlikely that price decreases were as dramatic as those reported in other surveys,” according to Jeanne Hollister, managing principal and practice leader for U.S. property-casualty insurance at Towers Perrin.
What do you folks make of all this?

Comments (7)
By now you may think I am simply paranoid, but I believe all the hype about the coming softening market is mostly intra-industry communication (from the likes of the Insurance Information InstituteI) to make sure all companaies are on the same page regarding holding the line on pricing (aka price-fixing).
You don't see the National Auto Dealers Association coming out with these types of stories, do you? Could you imagine the public outcry if the following were published by them?
"Car dealers in the coming year need to realize that if they are going to maintain their profit levels they must maintain discipline in their pricing models. Otherwise they are going to suffer the same sagging profits of past soft market cycles."
In other words, "hold your prices boys, we are all in this together. Let's not cut each others throats here."
In a side note, did you notice that today's press release from the Insurance Information Institute [about the top insurance-related, Oscar-nominated movies) left out one very notable insurance movie? How could they forget Francis Ford Coppola's "The Rainmaker" (1997)?
SAM RESPONDS:
Actually, both "The Rainmaker" and Michael Moore's documentary about health insurance reform, "Sicko," were on the Institute's original film list, and that release ran on our NU Online Daily News Web site on Monday.
The Institute must have taken some heat from insurer members about the negative light both flicks cast on the industry, as they were removed from the group's Web version of the story, and from a modified press release that was issued.
Posted by Insured Consumer | February 13, 2008 8:14 AM
Posted on February 13, 2008 08:14
When the topic of a "softening market" arises, I look at overall differences and not necessarily just at price.
One example would be the influx of companies now writing lines of business they swore just two years ago they would never write.
I find it interesting the number of companies now padding their books with workers' comp premium to soften the loss of general liability, property and auto premiums.
These, of course, are the same companies that laughed in your face two years ago if you even muttered the phrase workers' comp.
Posted by Michael Burnell | February 13, 2008 1:40 PM
Posted on February 13, 2008 13:40
First, I would like to comment on the story in general and then respond to "Insured Consumer."
As to the general question, who is right? I would guess that the answer is somewhere in the middle.
I do agree that most agents give the most attention to the commercial side of the business, and when commenting on the softness of rates and in that area of the business, double-digit decreases have been very common.
But, if you look at the industry as a whole, the lesser reductions in the personal lines side do water down the commercial line price reductions.
My comment to "Insured Consumer" is that in my 25 years in the Industry, there has never been a time when even all other major players, let alone the majority of the market, were in lock-step pricing-wise. There is far to much competition for premium dollars to allow that to happen. Just as it should be.
Posted by Thom Bradshaw | February 13, 2008 1:54 PM
Posted on February 13, 2008 13:54
The Towers Perrin observations about direct writers being less impacted by downturns in the market is flat wrong.
Case in point, a good-sized structural steel fabricator with Liberty Mutual three-to-four years was told last year, and now again this year, that whatever renewal pricing the insured may get from brokers, they will beat---not match, but beat.
This is fantastic for the insured, of course, especially since this risk has a potentially serious liability exposure, and they have a terrible workers' comp mod and loss history.
So, there is the real story about a real risk from a real commercial broker.
Direct writers like Liberty are doing the same as the broker markets--cutting pricing to retain business, except in this case they are trying to retain a difficult risk at give-away pricing.
How do I know> Because Liberty took it away from me four years ago, undercutting me by $40K on the WC, and one year later undercutting me by another $40K on the package.
Posted by Tom Davis | February 13, 2008 2:14 PM
Posted on February 13, 2008 14:14
What Michael says about lines of business applies to classes as well.
For example, the ebb and flow of the cycle is commensurate with many companies' interest, or lack thereof, in the habitational sector.
Each hard cycle seems more extreme than the last--or maybe it's just that I am getting older.
Posted by Charlie | February 13, 2008 2:16 PM
Posted on February 13, 2008 14:16
Since it is one way of measuring a field office's success, people have had to come up with ways to appear to be "maintaining pricing discipline" and still cut commercial premium 20 percent.
The opposing goals of new business growth and pricing discipline create this situation.
Posted by Ex-Carrier Employee | February 13, 2008 2:31 PM
Posted on February 13, 2008 14:31
Tom Davis has an excellent point. However, it is nothing new. Many carriers have done this for years, not only direct writers but many with agency plants as well, writing business that was surely going to be "losers" to retain premium.
In the case of agency business, I know we wrote "accommodation" business often at a significant loss simply to keep the remainder of an agency's book in house. I've overheard conversations telling the underwriters that if they wanted the renewal book, they had to accept the good with the bad. That's been business over the years and I don't thnk it will ever change.
Who's to blame, especially in a soft market? The agent who needs to "place"--or should we say "get rid" of--that pooly performing piece of business, or the company for not emphatically saying no? The blame is there to share, but until the big loss happens and the finger-pointing starts, nothing really happens and the practice continues.
Like the practice of writing huge blocks of marginal risks that have historically been unprofitable at best simply for the up-front premium, and hoping to control the losses through loss control and smart claims handling. Wheee! We've all seen that fail how many times? Yet it still happens more than anyone would admit.
Yes, some things never change regardless of the density of the market or those playing in it.
Posted by BJ | February 15, 2008 9:22 PM
Posted on February 15, 2008 21:22